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<WL>需 [xū] (需要 xūyào) need; (卦名) ䷄ Waiting; 必需 bìxū essential@@  [nuò] 懦  [rú] 韦柔滑貌  [ruǎn] 柔软, 耎
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<WL>需 [xū] (需要 xūyào) need/want; (卦名) ䷄ Waiting; 必需 bìxū essential@@; (HDZ:) 等待; 给用, 需要; … [nuò] 懦  [rú] 韦柔滑貌  [ruǎn] 柔软, 耎
 
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From 雨 yǔ (‘rain’) phonetic and 而 (ér) which depicts a beard.
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The Shuōwén Seal form of 需(􂀆) xū ‘wait for (rain to stop)’ combines (􁿏) yǔ ‘rain’, and 而(􁧗) ér ‘beard/mustache/whiskers’ (須): encountering (confronted with) prolonged rain, a man can only (must) stop/wait and let his whiskers grow; formerly also wr. 𩓣(􁱯), 須(􁡤).
It’s easy to confuse 需 xū ‘need’ with 须 xū ‘must’ (as in 必须 bìxū). They are etymologically the same word, according to Karlgren(1923). To be precise, 需 and 须 are both used to write xū ‘need/must’, but in different compounds; they are generally not interchangeable. Karlgren says 需 probably was originally used for the word 须() xū ‘beard’ (as in 胡须 húxū), which explains why it contains 而.
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Note: SW (􂀆) ‘wait for (rain to stop)’ is glossed with 𩓣(􁱯) xū ‘wait for’ (augmented wr. of 須), and 雨 ‘rain’ is associated with (易) ䷄ in which ☵ ‘rain’ (雨) over ☰ ‘heavens/weather/time’ (天), noting the similarity of 天(􀀃) and 而(􁧗) in the Seal.
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Older graphs associated with 需/𩂉 have 雨 (or simply dots for rain drops) surrounding/above 天/大 (not 而); cf. 𩂉, 天(􀀃), 大(􁰋􁱗亣); 耎(􁱜).
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Compare: /須(􁡤) ‘must, have to’ (as in 必须 bìxū).
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Note: According to Karlgren(AD) the characters 需/须 are etymologically the same word, seeing 需 as perhaps a wr. of 须/須/鬚 xū ‘beard’ (胡须), since the old meaning of the bottom component of 需 is explained in SW as 而(􁧗) ér ‘beard/mustache/whiskers’; but this reasoning seems circular, a reinterpretation of 天 as 而 in 需; certainly the characters /須/𩓣 have a long association and various similarities attesting various usage.
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Compare: 需/须 xū ‘need/must’, used in different contexts/compounds, generally not interchangeable, or with subtle meaning differences; cf. 需要 (aux./n.) vs. 须要 (aux.).
 
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